Being Creative in Your Business with Dawn Gardner

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Would you like to see yourself through the eyes of someone else?

Would you like a validation of the beauty and happiness that you are bringing to the world. Would you like to know how much of an empowered woman you are, that you can do anything you desire as long as you put your mind into it? Because if you can't believe it yourself, we would like to show you.

Dawn Gardner is a professional photographer, a published author, a former graphic designer, and a marketing book junkie. She is amazing and has had the opportunity to be a part of the most important time for some people. She has a lot of dreams that she would like to tell the world. Her mission is to empower people to see their beauty, to see their worth through photography.


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Here are so follow up questions I got to ask Dawn! 

How/why did you start your business? 
I started my business to put art into the world that moves people.
What makes your business unique? 
What impact do you want to have in the world or change you want to see or make happen? 
Through my photography, I want people to see their worthiness. And my writing, I want to take people on journeys and show them aspects of life and people that they might not have known.
Are You Happy with your business, What makes you happy And What Would You Change? 
Yes, I'm happy. I don't think I would change anything-- the change will always happen. I'm about adapting to change. "Change the way you look at things, and the things you look at change."
Did You Experience Failures? If So, What Did You Learn From Them 
Absolutely. To keep going. NEVER give up. And to get out of my own way.
How Did You Handle Adversity And Doubt? 
I'm guessing I'm probably like most people. At first, doubt grabs you around the throat. Then you do the work, teachers come into your life (experiences, people, books, mentors) and then the epiphanies happen. But then comes the work, the practicing of what you learned.
Do You Plan On Growing Your Business? How? 
Yes. Still working on doing the work, and I don't worry so much about how.

Do you think self-love and trust are important in running a successful business? Why? 
Yes. Running a successful business requires hard work and being authentic. And to be the real YOU that requires self-love and complete trust in yourself.
What advice would you give someone interested in starting their own business? 
Sit down and write out WHY you want to accomplish this business. What will you gain, and WHAT will you GIVE to others. Approach your business with a mindset of SERVICE.
If you would rather read the interview, feel free to check out the full transcription below!
Jacquelyn : (00:03)
Hi everyone. Thank you so much for coming on today. This is the intuitive light podcast for the enlightened entrepreneur and my name is Jacqueline Rodriguez and I am your intuitive healing business coach and I'm also the owner of enlightened styles, your holistic hair and makeup salon located in Warrenton, Virginia. I am so excited to be here with you today and every day and my passion really for this podcast was finding or helping women find DNR light, the intuitive inner light that we all have. Also to start stepping out of fear and start loving and trusting yourself to co-create a business and the life that you've been dreaming of and that you deserve. I have been able to meet so many amazing women entrepreneurs along my path and they're a part of my tribe. And the reason I started this podcast is that I want to highlight them. They have amazing stories and they just mean so much to me and I know that they're going to be able to help you on your journey moving forward. And today I have John Gardner who is, we've known each other for, I want to say eight years. It's been a long time, but she is an amazing photographer and now author. So without further ado, here is Dawn. Welcome.

Dawn: (01:31)
Hi. Good to see you.

Jacquelyn : (01:34)
Good to see you too. Thank you so much for being here today.

Dawn: (01:39)
Uh, it's my pleasure. It's my pleasure. [inaudible]

Jacquelyn : (01:42)
so I want to introduce you to all the people watching and I would love to hear your story. I want them to hear your story because you are just so creative and we have, we've had a few really, really great conversations and I always love where they go. But since the last time we had a conversation, you've added a whole new title to what you do. So tell me a little bit about yourself and your businesses.

Dawn: (02:16)
Okay, well I will. So I, when we first met way back when, I was, uh, going full time into photography at that point. So I started my business with, um, portraiture and I was doing weddings and you know, just uh, run the gamut of the photography. I also came from a graphic design background before I went, you know, full-time photography. So, and photography, uh, had been with me since I was probably, oh, I don't know, I was old enough to hold a camera. Um, and I would say that about writing as well, but most people, I don't want to say that they were maybe shocked, but didn't really realize that, um, I ha I was an as well because I didn't really talk about that, but back to photography. So that's how you and I met where we were working together with some clients.

Dawn: (03:07)
Um, and I just, I love creating, I love empowering women and that is what inspired me and drove me, uh, with my photography business is, uh, you know, empowering women to see their own beauty and people in general, not just women, but, but people in general, um, to see their own worth through photography is, is pretty empowering for them. And for me. Uh, but, but an interesting thing I've always said about my photography and, uh, writing is that I've always wanted to create art that moves people. And through photography, moving people to see themselves in a different light, uh, an empowered way to see their own, their own, their own beauty, their own inner strength is pretty incredible. But when through writing, uh, I can tell a story about an experience or, you know, something that I, that's resonating up here in my brain, or I'm cooking my brain and I can, I can move people and I can allow them to see something that possibly would be out of there, out of their realm of normal experience, and it can move them to see something from a whole new perspective or actually see themselves in a, in another way.

Dawn: (04:27)
So I kinda think that the photography and, uh, the writing is very similar in the respect that they're still creative endeavors that allow me to create art and move people, you know, with that art. So I kind of, I see them very much married together. Um, they have been even, you know, when I was very young, I started writing and wrote a play very at a young age and tried to direct my neighborhood kids and you know, all that kind of stuff. So, um, yeah, I think that that's kind of where all that originated. It was from a very young age and you know, I think there are seasons in our life too where sometimes we go into, um, a session or a season where we're doing mostly one thing and then we kind of shift our perspective or something, um, happens and we lean heavier into another season of what we're doing. So that's kind of where I am getting ready to release my third, uh, novel at this point. So that is so exciting. And it is,

Jacquelyn : (05:33)
I mean I've seen, cause we, I have known you for so long and you know, with shifting and moving through the years, we, both, our businesses have grown so much. But I remember that pivotal point that we kind of reconnected, not that we ever lost connection, but we're businesswomen who are just busy going about things. And I remember the moment where we saw how deep our businesses have gotten like in a bigger purpose. Like I know for me with my salon and with my coaching, the bigger purpose has the same. It's the same passion. It's still this thing of bringing women through this journey of really loving and truly accepting themselves and their worth and trusting who they are. And it was so amazing. And when we had that, um, that moment of just connection and like clarity for a lack of a better word, like I just, it had such clarity with where my business was going and how amazing and our businesses fit together.

Jacquelyn : (06:50)
And I remember you doing the shoot for me and my daughter empowering her. And I mean, your photography is phenomenal. All the photos that are on my website and everything as all because of you and I really do. I absolutely love your work. And now your books, the story you tell with your photography, it does correlate so much with a story that you're able to tell in a book that it's mind-blowing to me because I think it's just such a beautiful way of changing up with being creative. Like I'm a very creative person, but I have different outlets and I don't feel like, as you said, we have different seasons, but when you really break them all down, it's the same passion behind everything we do. Right?

Dawn: (07:45)
Right. I would, I like to call that the thread. You know, it's a, it's a thread that runs through everything that I do. I'm, I'm a storyteller and I want my art to move people. And through photography, it moves people. Um, it may be a keepsake too, you know, that that's a side benefit. Um, you know, for the photography. Uh, but the storytelling through novel writing for me is a chance to empower people or to give them, as I said, an aspect of something that they may not have ever thought of or get a the, uh, able to see in a different light or live through something or experience it through someone else's, um, eyes or lens, if you will if I can use a camera through a different lens. So allowing people to see through a different lens. And like you said, you know, with your business, your, your businesses all have that common thread of what, what you want to accomplish.

Dawn: (08:48)
And the same for me, it's the same for me. And, um, I have really enjoyed blossoming in a different direction. And I said way back when, when I introduced my novel, the first my debut novel, which by the way sat on the shelf for 12 years. Um, I said, you know, it's kind of like having writing again. It's kind of like having an old friend come back into your life. It's, it's, you can pick right up where you left off. Um, and it's just been really, really empowering. And, another Avenue for me to express myself and to create art. So,

Jacquelyn : (09:30)
and I absolutely love that you're just so talented and in all the aspects, but for the viewers who don't know you, like tell us a little bit about how, not just how you got started, but like was there anything, any fears that came up that, or your book? So yeah,

Dawn: (09:54)
let's, let's talk about that. Uh, the self-doubt is huge, right?  I think that any of us have, I don't think you can say that you did something or didn't go through life without one little shred or ounce of self-doubt. I think we all have it. And I mean, life got in the way from me and that's partly why my novel sat on a shelf for 12 years. But I will tell you that self-doubt was a huge part of that. And um, when I would be clean and it didn't just sit on a shelf, it, the manuscript, uh, was behind, you know, that space in between where the books end in the back of the shelf begins that manuscript. And this is a really a, could be a metaphor for so many different things in our lives, but that manuscript sat, rolled up in that space and sometimes when I was cleaning, I would um, you know, reach back in there and take it out, flip through a few pages.

Dawn: (10:55)
They, Oh my gosh, I can't even believe this, you know, and I and I put it away. And so the self-doubt was there. And you know, I had been working through a lot of mind work, um, you know, thought work and, and changing my perspective on a lot of different things within the last two years before, um, I published but I had a friend. I think there's always a catalyst for, you know when that changes us or kind of puts us over the edge. So I'd been doing the mind work, you know, about releasing that self-doubt and allowing myself to stay as Seth Godin would say ship things. Because here's the thing about self-doubt, it's, it's a lie. But the other part of that is when you, your job is not to create things and judge them. Your job is to create and put it out into the world and let people take it as it is, whatever that may be because it's gonna resonate with people in different ways.

Dawn: (11:58)
The moment you start to judge what you've created, that is when you're doing a disservice to yourself but also the world because no one's ever going to see that. And so what happened? So my watch, my friend publishes a historical fiction novel and I said, Oh my gosh, you know, I've got tons of writing that just is sitting and um, and I told him about the novel, he says you should publish it. And then they made me promise that I would publish it. And so I said, okay fine, I'll publish it. And also too, when I finished it, you know, self-publishing wasn't a thing back in, you know, 2008 so you didn't really have that many options. You went through a traditional publishing option or are you self publishing was kind of taboo now or back then? Now not so much because there are a lot of traditional authors that even go too into self-publishing.

Dawn: (12:54)
But basically, the self doubts part, you know, once you do it, it's pretty liberating. It's pretty liberating. And then, you know, it gives you careers for them. It's like flexing your, um, your release muscle or your, you know, putting it at shipping muscle, let's call it a shipping muscle. You're, you're actually exercising it and growing it because the next time, because I'm getting ready to ship another novel, it's not as hard this time because I know when I release it, it's not my, it's not my, it's my job to create the art. It's not my job to judge it. And I think you could equate that to anything. Um, and we don't have to just talk about art because I think sometimes that people get an idea that, Oh, and I hear people say this all the time, is that they're not creative. And it's so not true because we create, here's the definition of creative, a marked by the ability or power to create. Okay. So what did you say? That we all have that ability? Yes. Yes, absolutely. So I think that if you've been telling yourself at any point that you're not creative, you can just debunk that right now. Uh, because it's not true and you don't have to be an artist. Um, I think some of them, I think my makeup artists, my, I think hairstylists, I think project managers, I think waitresses and waiters, I think everyone is creative. And I think it's time we just accepted that and we, we moved past saying we're not creative.

Jacquelyn : (14:44)
I absolutely agree with you because we all have our own stories and we all have something amazing about us that is creative and that we are meant to be here to help someone else write something. Whether that is an accountant, creating a spreadsheet, or as you said, a waitress bringing out orders and there's, there's some creativity to literally everything that we do. Absolutely. And it is our job to put that out there because not ever, it's not going to resonate with everybody, but that one person that you touch that heard your story and said, Oh my gosh, that's, I'm, I'm that and I, you, I just got the permission to be able to move forward and do something that will make my life better and help me move forward. That's what we're supposed to do all of this for. Because we, we get in our heads about whether we're good enough, whether we know enough, whether you know, we're gonna like everybody's going to know what we do, but it only needs to be for one person change one person's life. And with your creativity and your beautiful stories, you can touch not only one person but so many and you should be able to have that permission to continue to do that and not have the self-doubt holding you back. Because I personally think it's selfish of me not to share with the world because I know I can help at least one person, just one.

Dawn: (16:49)
Right. And I think that that's really key is that, and that's a good way to flip the script on that to say that you're selfish not to create or not to give your gifts to the world, but I think sometimes we've been mental, um, I don't want to say brainwashed, but maybe that's the right term to think the opposite of that. You know, to think that we don't have anything to offer but, and, and I think that you also get in your mind that you have to have something big. You know, it has to be something huge like a, a Mona Lisa, so to speak, but it's about the little things and the world needs your creativity, whatever it may be. And like getting back to the simple thing as a B is a server, you know, and a restaurant, um, not that, that's not simple because it's hard work, but, but you know, to actually be creative on how you approach that there is, you know, how to interact with what whoever you're serving and that you can equate that across the board.

Dawn: (17:55)
Uh, and so I think self doubt it will wreck creativity. And, um, it will not allow you to be creative because you're already in a judging mode. So, um, you know, getting rid of that self-doubt is really crucial. And when you get rid of it for a second, then you have to allow yourself not to judge. So there's like a kind of like some sequences to go through. And like I said earlier, once you keep flexing that muscle of shipping your art out into the world or whatever it is, whether you're trying out a new way to serve people or you're trying out a new spreadsheet or you're trying out a new way to lead people and you know, have some kind of business environment, it's still something, something to try at, something to put out there, um, to so that you don't self judge, you know, don't, don't cut yourself off before that because I wanted to talk to if you're okay with it.

Dawn: (18:56)
Um, I kinda came up with, um, the three DS I say, of being creative and in business or just being creative in general. And the first one is one of my favorites. And I kind of think between the first two and the second two, you'll find yourself leaning more towards one of these. And the first one is dreaming. Um, I am a big dreamer. Uh, I daydream, I visualize, which I think is a huge way to boost your creativity. Um, just visualize what you want. Uh, dreaming is so amazing. And I always say to myself, okay, sit down and make an audacious list of everything that you want to accomplish. And don't ever squash it because we're always, you know, there are enough people out there that are going to squash your dreams already. So why let yourself start with that? You know, just write it down, think about it, visualize it. You want the most audacious, crazy thing that you can think of that you really want to accomplish. What do you think about that?

Jacquelyn : (20:08)
I, I completely agree. And I right now want to give our viewers the permission

Dawn: (20:16)
to dream. Yay.

Jacquelyn : (20:19)
Don't, don't hold yourself back. Even if you think, Oh my gosh, this can never happen. Like this is too big of a dream. I don't care what the dream is. It can never be too big. A lot of people don't even allow themselves to dream because they're afraid of dreaming too big.

Dawn: (20:40)

Jacquelyn : (20:40)
And they also hold themselves back because they have no idea how they would be able to get from point a to point B.

Jacquelyn : (20:47)
This is your permission right now. Dream, dream as big as you possibly can because the more you dream and the more you visualize that and the more you tell yourself these are the things that you want, you're not only telling yourself, you're telling the universe, you're sending my version into the universe. The universe says, Oh, this is what you want. Here you go to say, so you were going back and forth and you never were clear on what you wanted. You never said it. Yeah. say it dream it. The universe will put the pieces together for what is necessary. And it happens like that. And we don't even know it. But because we don't even start dreaming, we don't see that part.

Dawn: (21:38)
Do you know? And the other thing I would say because you said something and you know, we work so well like this, when I listened to you and we chat, it just sets me on fire. Um, you know, it's not about the how, so don't, don't sweat the hell. Don't try and figure it out because putting their dream into a visualization or writing it down, you don't have to work out the hell

Jacquelyn : (21:59)
at this point. Just, dream it. Just dream about it. You dream about it and you decide that this is what you want. The how actually starts coming to you before you open up Facebook and somebody saying, I want, I need somebody to do this job. And you're like, wait, is my phone? It's like Siri, it's the universe. Um, Oh, we lost you. There you are. Uh, is the universal Siri, are you there? Yeah. Can you hear me? Can you hear us? Oh, technical difficulties. Can you hear me? dawn? Can you hear me? I can.

Dawn: (22:55)
Okay. I can't hear you, but that's okay.

Jacquelyn : (22:58)

Jacquelyn : (22:59)
hold on. Let's see.

Dawn: (23:04)
Technical difficulties.

Jacquelyn : (23:05)
Yes. You know, it happens.

Jacquelyn : (23:09)
Hold on.

Jacquelyn : (23:18)
It's okay. We'll keep the show on the road.

Jacquelyn : (23:33)
How about now?

Jacquelyn : (23:35)
Oops, I can hear you. Can you hear me? You can hear me, but I can't hear you. Okay. Let's see. Yeah, bye-bye. Connected. Okay.

Jacquelyn : (24:04)
How about now? Oh, there you are. Can you hear me though? I hear yeah if I can hear you. Yes. Okay, wonderful. Can you hear me? Sorry. So that technical difficulty, but that's okay. The show continues and I am just making sure because let's see. Okay. I think I don't know what happened. You went away for a second like your screen went black, and then when you came back you couldn't hear. But that's okay. No big deal. All right. But I was saying, um, that we were talking about, Oh shoot. Um, like the universe and telling the universe what you want and it, I was going to say that it's like the universal Siri, like you just ask for it. Oh my gosh, I love that. I know. And it's those pieces, like once you make a decision. Yeah. And you know how it is. Like you're talking about the shoes that you like and Siri hears you. And when you go on Facebook, all of a sudden the shoe that you want has an ad. So once you decide what you want in life because you've been dreaming and you decided on your dream, the universal Siri shows up and starts putting those pieces right in front of you. And you don't even have to do anything. It really can be that simple. But it all starts with dreaming and making a decision. Right?

Dawn: (25:40)
Yup. For sure. And then I had the second D is, um, for me is discernment and that's why I was laughing about, you know, you're either going to find yourself, um, one or the other and, um, discernment is kind of like, um, you know, you're not going to mortgage the farm for, you know, you've gotta be discerning about how, what you put into action for your, your dreaming. And, um, and I don't think discernment needs to be squashing your names, but you just need to be wise on and what you pursue as far as action goes for, uh, you know, I don't know if that's kind of your philosophy, but that's kind of been mine and I'm not as strong in discernment as I am in the dreaming category. Um, I believe I would say that my husband his waist or longer in discernment than I am. Um, so it's good to bounce things off of stronger people and the discernment. Um, then maybe you are, but I also think discernment can come into also saying to yourself, you know, time, times, scans or time, time, um, not time management but Ty time scopes of things for your dream. I think that's always a good category for discernment. I don't know if you have any thoughts on discernment.

Jacquelyn : (27:09)
Oh, most definitely. Um, I agree because I am much better at training. I can think and dream so huge. And then I have to like go, okay, well I dreamt, I told the universe the 15th I wanted to happen, but I have to be discerning on which one do I feel and how I get through that for me is really leaning in and on my intuition. I dive in deep, not just my dreaming part, but my intuition to allow me to feel into which one I should be doing, working on which one would come next because I have so many dreams and so many things that I want to put into place, but obviously while we can't mortgage the farm and we can't put all of them into action right now, I'm only. So listen to my intuition and follow. Really. I do that by meditating and getting really quiet with myself.

Jacquelyn : (28:11)
And then once I have that intuition pop up and say, okay, this is what you need to be working on now, then I make the moves for that. And that's usually when the doors start opening and like if I need money to start that business or do something because I have made a decision, I've listened to my intuition, the doors start opening. Like the money just appears and it's probably from a job or something, but sometimes it just kind of comes out of nowhere. Like a client wasn't expecting all the sudden signs up and it's the exact amount for what I needed to get done. Like I've had those things.

Dawn: (28:56)
Yup. Well then the third, the third D D for me is discipline. And you know, discipline sometimes is not the most romantic word, but discipline. Wow. If you can put it into place, you know, you've dreamt it, you've used discernment to figure out as you said, I'm only going to go for, you know, I've got 50 things. Maybe I'm going to put my energy into these top 10. Um, and I'm going to give myself a timeline. And then the discipline part comes in to say, okay, I'm going to meditate every day on this. I'm going to visualize every day, or I'm actually going to do these actions that it's not about the how, but it's putting you to that dream. You know, you could equate this to a fitness regime. You could equate it to writing a novel, which is kind of how I've done it. I've dreamt about it. I've discerned whether or not I think that this is a, a prob or a plausible idea. Um, and I've given myself time and then I say, okay, to reach this goal of, you know, 80,000 words, you've got to write this many words in a day and you do it. Yup. And

Jacquelyn : (30:11)
it could be a podcast, it could be to anything that you're doing. But what I love about discipline is not just the actionable steps, but when you have dreamt it and you have just certain moments of how you're going, like which one you're going to go on, what you're going to pour your energy into. You've told the universe is opening doors, but the universe can't do things. It cannot take those actions. So you have to take the actions to make your dreams come true. All of the things that you need to make those happen will start falling into place and it's like magic. It really does just start happening because only a few weeks ago I decided, okay, I've been thinking about the podcast for a long time. I had things set up for it, but then I was like, well, I haven't had any interviews. I don't even know what am I going to start this? And then I start sending out one interview questionnaire and before I know it, I have a ton of people like they, it's just all worked out and it's been put into place. But if I let those sit there and don't record and don't put my energy into putting the pieces that have come together and been shown to me into the final puzzle piece, then we can't, we can't, you know, reap the benefits of our labor. Right. We've got to dream it, make decisions, you know, have discernment and then just plan to get it done.

Dawn: (31:52)
Yeah, and I think this is an also, I think one of the major, and, um, especially at this time in our history, keeping our mind focused on what the dream is, is part of that discipline. And sometimes you can do that with action by putting in, you know, okay, I'm going to write so many words or I'm gonna, you know, work on this particular podcast or whatever it is that you're, you're working on. Um, you can do it that way, but also keeping your mind, um, stay straight with the dream or visualization going, like you said, um, meditation and, uh, I think you also said something about, I'm not sure if you said something about intuitiveness, but I'm thinking that might be the meditation. Well, but yeah,

Jacquelyn : (32:41)
it's a little bit of both. I every single, like I meditate every day and even though these times because we're in the covid19, you know, crazy shutdown and things have changed a little bit. But I still, every day before I get out of bed, I ask myself for my purpose and my passion, what do I need to do today? Sometimes it, I feel with my intuition in each arrest, sometimes I'm like, no, I just need to do this one item. And that's what needs to happen today. And then some, um, I'm furiously working happily. Like it brings nothing but joy eight hours. And I'm like, Oh my gosh, how did the time go by so fast? Because I'm just in it. So I really do lean in on my intuition and my meditation practice is very fluid. Like I, I just live it and breathe that because no matter how it's looking, I might not have time for 10, 20, 30 minutes of meditation, but I know that I'm tapping into my, my internal centeredness to know which way I'm supposed to go.

Dawn: (33:55)
Right. Well, and then I think there's one more thing that, that it's not necessarily a D, but the one thing that you have to be prepared for in life, I would say, and also just being creative and business or being creative in life, is that maybe something that you've done that you've shipped out into the world or you've produced is not going to work the way that you thought it was going to work. So you, we're, I, and I hesitate to say failure because I don't really believe in failure. I believe they're all learning opportunities. Uh, and then we just need to pivot from that what happened and then go a different direction. So, but that is part of the process I think. And I think sometimes, um, when something maybe didn't work as well as you thought it would or wasn't received in a way that back to the full circle at the beginning of our conversation, which is self-doubt, you, you start to censor yourself from, well, that didn't work, so I'm not gonna do that again.

Dawn: (34:57)
Because, you know, I felt bad that that didn't work, so that I'm not creative. And I just want to say you've already permitted them or to be creative, but I would say it's okay that something's not, it doesn't work out the way you exactly planned it. It is perfectly okay because guess what? There's something, there's a silver lining there somewhere and you've got something you can learn from and pivot to another, another direction, another place. I'm not sure the, I believe the more failure, the more things don't work out the more you grow and able to be more creative in those times than, I know this is so cliche to say, but I always think of Thomas Edison. I mean good grief over a thousand times he tries to invent something, you know, the light bulb and different filaments and things like that. And then finally, you know, he comes up with it. But that was only after, you know, I think they said 999 failures. So I think there's something to that.

Jacquelyn : (36:07)
I a hundred percent believe in taking the failures and I don't believe in failures either. I really believe that when something doesn't work out, and I have had so many where I've had to let go completely cause I'm like, Oh, okay. That didn't really fit into my bigger passion, my bigger goal. Right. Because I know that that's one big thing and for a while, I didn't know what that was. It took me a long time to figure that out. But internally I knew that I was being pulled to do something right. I let a lot of things go. I would start them, didn't work out, and I'm like, okay, let me pivot. And sometimes I learned a great deal that helped me with the next venture sometimes. Ooh, don't ever do that again. Not that that specific thing, but maybe the actions, like it just didn't work out.

Jacquelyn : (37:06)
It didn't feel good. So I don't want to repeat those. But then I also have projects that maybe I've launched and they didn't quite go the way I want them to, but I didn't stop them completely. I put them on pause. They're still, they're percolating. They're still, they're learning. And when the time, because I believe in divine timing, when the time comes that all the other piece puzzle pieces are coming together, that one's going to come back and fit back in and help fill in exactly what we're doing. Absolutely. So I don't believe in failure. I think that we all have something to learn from it. And the best thing you can do is take that thing that you've learned, pivot it, and continue to grow from it goes back into the self-doubt.

Dawn: (37:58)
Exactly. So I think there are so many pieces to being creative in business, but also your life. So you know, just to recap the the the three D's or whatever, and then also, you know, the dreaming aspect is huge. You know, that's where it starts. And then discerning what you want to do. How long is it, um, what are you going to, you're not going to mortgage the farm or, and then, and then going into the discipline of putting it in action. And then if it works, Oh my gosh, that's amazing. But it doesn't, and you need to pivot, then don't go into the self-doubt. And I think it gets easier each time you go through the cycle because it is a cycle. And I think to go back to that shipping muscle that I was talking about earlier. Um, it takes great courage to put yourself out into the world whether whatever you choose to do with your life and however you want it, whether it's in business life or just being, you know, putting yourself out somehow into the world is creative and it is kind of scary at times.

Dawn: (39:10)
But if it, like you said earlier, um, if it touches one person, it's worth it. So this, um, those latest, uh, novel that I wrote to me, I had some early readers and um, my daughter was one of them. Uh, actually both daughters, but this one in particular. So she finished and she called me on FaceTime. Um, and she's sobbing and I was like, Oh no, you know, cause I'm thinking immediately something's happened. But she goes, I just finished. So it moved her and going back to what your threat is, you know, thinking through your thread and my, my thread is to put art into the world that moves people. And I could check that at that point. And if that novel never touches another soul in any other way, but I could still say that it was six success. Now if it, you know, if that's the only person that touches, that's, that's okay then that's, you know, it maybe wasn't meant to touch millions or thousands or hundreds or 50 people, but it did touch one person and I'm happy with that. And um, I think that's also something that we should give ourselves. Then, the kudos and the credit when we have, uh, something that comes to fruition from that thread that we like this podcast for example. I mean this podcast is a thread off of the, your thread of, of how you like to do business and how you like to empower people.

Jacquelyn : (40:50)
Yup. And if nothing else, if I only touch a few people, one person, and even if I don't touch one person, I cannot tell you the joy that it brings me talking to. Like, this is where I'm supposed to be. I'm supposed to be talking to women like you. And if nothing else, it has brought joy to me and given me the strength to continue to move on and nothing is going to be a waste of my time. This is teaching me something every second of the day and it really is bringing me joy. So that goes back to that intuition. You have 50 things that you could work on and some of them are going to be more logical, right? You're going to think you grow up and be a doctor or a lawyer. Like we know those stories, right? We need to do something where we can make money. I didn't go that route. I almost did. I almost was an architect, but that's a story for a different day. Um, but instead I decided to be a hairdresser and people said, you know, you can't make money at that. I knew that. It brought me joy.

Jacquelyn : (42:07)
Fast forward 20 years, it's grown into something so much more. This is more to me than money. It is more to me than just being a hairstylist or a makeup artist or a coach. This is what my legacy is going to be left. And like you said, it doesn't have to be that I'm curing cancer. I'm bringing joy and giving people, women entrepreneurs the okay to be who they are. That's, that's it. That's all it is. Huge. Especially in my mind. But it doesn't have to be this huge, humongous thing. It just needs to bring joy into your heart and then touch the people who are going to resonate with that. That's beautiful. That's so beautiful. You had me very emotional. I almost cried. And then you told me your daughter was crying. I'm like, okay, put together. But that's, that's what we do. And as entrepreneurs and being creative, no matter what you're doing, bring that emotion and your heart into it. And you literally can't go wrong. You can't.

Dawn: (43:23)
And I would also add that, you know, for me, this is just a light experience lesson to bomb photography business. When remember I told you the manuscript sat for 12 years. I, because I started my own photography business and I grew and I've had my shares of times for that business to pivot and do different things. Um, and each time I've learned a great deal about the business. Uh, and so I don't think that in 2008 when I finished that manuscript that I was ready to put it out into the world in a way that was also releasing the self-doubt. Cause I was not as, you know, worked on my mind as much as I have at this point. But it's also age too, you know, you grow, you learn. Um, but the other part of it is business experience.

Dawn: (44:16)
You know, I've really grown as a business person, as an entrepreneur, and that taking that experience and putting it into, um, one aspect, the backend of the writing is huge. And I think if can think of anyone that's an entrepreneur or trying to be creative in their life or there, what they're doing, you could sit down and write a list of all the things that you've done in your life. And I think that all of us could probably weave a thread of commonality through all of the things that we've, uh, we've done and we've been attracted to. It's where you can say, Oh my gosh, if I really want to dream this and I'm going to accomplish this, then I could look back through all of the things that I've done and seen that they were all working together to get me to this place that I am right now. It's, it's truly incredible.

Jacquelyn : (45:09)
That's a beautiful visualization for me. I literally can see a thread going through all the aspects of my life, what I've done, what I haven't done, what I decided to like all the decisions that I've made. And they did have a very common thread through them. I encourage everyone to that who's listening, sit down and brain dump, what have you, if you are stuck brain dump on the things that you've done, you've accomplished, or maybe just maybe it didn't do anything with it. Maybe it's that I have from when I was little, I have an art book that's probably, I mean it's, it's pretty big, right? Yeah. And I would sit down with when VHS was out and I watched Lion King and I would pause it and it had all those little lines going through it. And I would draw the Lion King, all the characters.

Jacquelyn : (46:17)
And I still have that in my garage. I didn't do anything with art. I'm not an artist. I don't draw anything. But if you look at that common thread and you start brain dumping the things that just simply brought you joy, that will help you get unstuck and start getting your creative juices flowing. So I encourage everyone to, to sit down and brain dump what brought you joy, what was successful, and the things that were pivotal in your life, leaving that thread. That's a beautiful way to look at it. And then you can start seeing what makes you happy and what you can do with that.

Dawn: (46:59)
Yeah, that's, that's great. And if you're afraid of sewing, then you could always use your hot glue gun. Oh yeah. There are so many ways. A hot glue gunner as you're, if you're not good at sewing, you can be creative, right? And use another medium of a fastener. So there are many kinds of fasteners so

Jacquelyn : (47:23)
you can use, do digital, write it down, and on. You know, I love my iPad, I technology.

Jacquelyn : (47:30)
Um, I also like the big pads and just sketch it out or write it. Note pads. I mean there's just sticky notes, whatever makes journals for you. Exactly. Whatever you're called to. But brain dumps everything that you've done and start seeing the connections of what actually brings you joy. Oh my gosh, I absolutely love that Dawn.

Dawn: (47:56)
Well, thank you. I, it's, it's, I've only found it for myself through the experiences, you know, so it's, it's been a great lesson. That's the great thing about being around for a while is that you start to, you start to actually learn things and can apply them. And I think that's why, um, you know, middle-aged women rock because you know, you're able to have all that life experience and I'm blessed to be able to share it so.

Jacquelyn : (48:27)
Well, I am so happy that you're on. I always love having conversations with you and just watching you know, everything that you've done and being a part of it. I, it has brought joy to my life and I thank you for being on the show. I want everyone to, um, I want everyone to go on in the show notes, followed on, follow her pages, go on her website, see the amazing things that she has done, and download her books by her books because they're awesome. Get a photoshoot. Like if you're local, you've got to see her. But, um, I just want to thank you again. Thank you.

Dawn: (49:13)
Uh, thanks for, thank you for having me. And I am so glad that you are in the world and you are having the courage to put your art into the world and being creative because it's blessing so many people and I'm very, very thankful to be a part of that world. So thank you for having me.

Jacquelyn : (49:34)
Thank you. Well, thank you everyone for watching. I cannot wait for the next episode. Again, go on the show notes. It'll all be on the blog. You can follow Don really easily and I can't wait to see you next time. Thank you. Bye.